What Makes a Good Man or a Good Woman?

by Christine Garvin on January 3, 2012

in Confrontations

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Everyone is trying to be better, but we just keep pulling each other down.

Why is everyone so bad?

There’s more than enough articles out there detailing how bad men are, the ways they undermine and abuse women, how they only want women for sex (and these are just the men’s magazines).

Though there probably exists more ‘literature’ out there to build women up, noting such things as sensitivity and empathy being traits much needed in a world of power and domination, there remains plenty focused only on women’s bodies, usually detailing how bad they are.

Bad, wrong, erratic, misguided, defective, inaccurate. All words being slung around pretty consistently about human beings in general. On the opposite end of the spectrum are a few “heroes” that we place high on that pedestal until they inevitably prove us wrong – they too are human, fallible, and we must now proceed to tear them to pieces like all the rest of the trash.

Undoubtedly, these words generally piss other people off, particularly when attached to a group of people by another group. Like most human beings, I got pissed as I followed the debacle a couple of weeks ago at the Good Men Project about a Twitter-conversation gone horribly, horribly awry.

I won’t write about the event in great detail here (you can read about it here and here and all over the GMP site) other than to say that articles about the presumption male sexual guilt led founder Tom Matlack to feel attacked by several feminists, and they in turn felt attacked by what followed from him. There was also some heated discourse on a racial comparison made by Tom that some others found unsettling.

I absolutely had my take on the situation, and the side I sided with. I even planned to write about it here the day after it happened. But now I’m glad I didn’t, as my position has softened, much as I’m sure most of the people involved probably feel (though I’m not naive enough to believe there weren’t some permanent rifts produced).

It’s not that my beliefs have softened, but rather the idea that fervently fighting for your own side leaves us, well, sided. And that really gets us nowhere.

And that’s really all that’s happening across the internet these days, with the exception of top 10 lists like which plants to grow in your shower and how-to’s like properly unraveling a ball of yarn.

Are we really wasting this much time?

Let’s Make it Better

Time is becoming more important to me. I certainly feel like I waste too much time. I read too much garbage on the internet under the guise of ‘research.’ Thing is, it’s insidious garbage because it looks important. Really, though, it’s almost always a re-hashing of something that has been discussed a million times before.

When it comes to women, it’s hard for me not to stand up and point out all of the massive issues still present in our ‘evolved’ society. But I’m also beginning to realize that I, like so many others, continue to bark loudly without even changing trees.

If we really are going through an evolution of humanity as many of us hope, then maybe it’s time we start taking about what it means to be a good man or woman, instead of continuing to point out what makes either gender bad.

Some ideas?

  • Each person has to remind his or herself that each human is a whole and complicated person. That means there is no man out there that only lives via his penis, and there is no woman out there who is solely looking for money. Stereotypes can begin to melt when we think about the fact that everyone experiences joy, pain, suffering, happiness, and that our words always have an impact. What kind of impact do you want to have?
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  • It occurred to me the other day that discussing the end of an overly- testosterone-laden military is not necessarily an answer; rather, the military could be used primarily for all of the natural disaster rescue missions that will certainly continue to increase over the coming years, with that whole global warming thing and everything. What a great way to use bravery and protection, minus the force.
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  • Women can stop accepting, playing into, and feeding industries that makes billions off of making women feel fat. Accept that (most) women’s bodies are meant to be curvier, that what you got is beautiful if you believe it is, eat real food that nourishes you, and let the rest work itself out.
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  • Talk about gender issues in school starting in 1st grade. Talk about what society expects of boys and men, and girls and women. Explain why those don’t have to be true, how any number of other possibilities exist in terms of who we are as an individual. Talk about how some kids will identify as the gender they weren’t born with. Talk about how love knows no boundaries.
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  • Let boys cry. In fact, encourage it. Let girls get dirty and loud. In fact, encourage it. Tell boys they can be both strong and sensitive. Tell girls they can be both sensitive and strong. Teach everyone that they have a higher self they can tune into to find their own answers.

There are a million other ways to shift out of the place that we are in. Continuing to fight over it all isn’t one of them.

[Feature photo: gingerpig2000]

About the author

Christine Garvin is a health writer who holds an MA in Holistic Health Education and is a certified Nutrition Educator. She writes for and edits the holistic health site, Living Holistically, and co-edits Confronting Love. She spends entirely too many hours on the computer each day, but squeezes in dancing hip-hop and bhangra and doing yoga as much as possible. An avid traveler, she lives just outside of Asheville, NC where new-age-meets-Billy-Graham. Follow her on Twitter @livingwholesoul or on her FB page.

  • http://womenarefrommars.wordpress.com/ Nikki B.

    Oh, hey, so all that affected more than just my world?

    Ha I kid I kid. And I applaud this post here as a response.

    I still have to wonder two things:

    1. Where is the line we walk where we are engaging conversation and talking about how to actually appreciate diversity and live in a society that creates equality, and not just blaming each other, and pretending like life is fine? Negating the problems that still exist, on both sides?

    2. How much of this kind of argument (while lovely on paper) is really just our own privilege talking? The things we talk about like this are *only* available to BOTH men and women in our specific bubbles of privilege. How do you translate that further?

    One thing I keep coming back to is the fact that, as a well-off white chick, I now understand what is wrong with me saying “I don’t see race”. That is all about negating other experiences and privilege. Are we saying that about gender now, too? Where is the line? Furthermore, how do you find it, and allow for men to speak, too?

    • http://holisticwithhumor.com Christine Garvin

      Thanks for your thoughts, Nikki. Here is what I can come up with to answer your questions from my point of view:

      1. Absolutely NOT negating the problems that still exist. Education and discussion is key in understanding people of another gender, race, religion, nation, and other life choices. But I think knowing your audience is also key, and understanding that there is a line where we are just repeating the same things over and over again to people who’ve already heard this information over and over again, and have shut down. Realizing when we ourselves have shut down. Stating possible solutions instead of trying to put people “in their place.” Taking out the ego when it’s overtaking the subject matter. I think this is the hardest thing in the world for us humans to do – instead of seeing our ego for what it is, we believe what we are doing in the name of what is right.

      2. I’m a big fan on Van Jones. When I worked in social justice organizations back in the early years of the 2000s, a lot of people I worked with talked about a very true issue with the environmental movement – that it was geared toward middle to upper class white people, from the cost to the lifestyle change to what people care about. There were many complaints about how the environmental movement did not reach out to the social justice movement, primarily working-class people of color. There were a few people who saw that at their core, both movements had similar goals and ideals, but were coming at it from different angles. But nobody really stepped up to bridge the two movements in any kind of big way until Van Jones. Sure, he got kicked out of his “Green Czar” position in the Obama government not long after O took office, Jones being “too leftist” (which I was glad about, because I believe he can do more good work outside of the gov – will he stay that way? who knows), but I remember hearing him speak in 2003 and thinking, “wow, this guy has some solutions on how to bring the social justice and environmental movements together.” He wasn’t going back over the divide – he was talking about how to move forward, and getting people to focus on what they have in common, instead of what separates them. This, I think, is part of the answer.

      Trust me, I can go on and on about gender issues as woman, and I have many times on this site, and will continue to. Continuing to educate people on the deep and pervasive oppression based on race and ethnicity that is very much alive in our society is imperative, and there is no way I want people to stop shining the light on injustice. I just want more solutions also put forward, and no matter what, compromise will have to be a part of the equation. Even this fervent feminist has to stand back and see the “other” as human and capable of meeting me halfway, if I can meet them the other half.

      • http://womenarefrommars.wordpress.com/ Nikki B.

        Agreed. I do think we need to find places to listen as often, if not more often, than we speak.

        I do hope you’ll come back to comment on my discussion with Simone… or if you have any specific topics/readings you would want us to address, please feel free to e-mail them to me!

  • http://www.highheelsinthecity.pl/ Cindy

    I hate stereotypes and I dont understand labeling people. Who ever said that all different types of groups of personalities aren’t mixed (?) To make it clear, very young girl who becomes mum desnt’t have to be dirty shallow chick or not all mothers -in- law stick nose in someones issues (just examples). And it doesn’t matter that someone become from small unknown group in social environment. If I do not hurt anyone I can be whoever I want to and behave like I want to. If someone saw me drunk in short skirt leaving the club – probably thought that I am a drunker, an easy girl who is only partying etc etc ( my sis old me that someone were making laugh of me ;) ), but I am nice girl!; so next day entering the club I heard funny comment from security guy… Hate this!
    Warm regards

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